Sun Stzoops: TX/OU Is War

Secret operations are essential in war; upon them the army relies to make its every move. ~ Sun Tzu

Most everything the University of Oklahoma does is done with Texas in mind, and for good reason. Bob Stoops knows all too well the mantra: Keep your friends close and enemies closer. By late November, the rumor was that OU was keenly aware of problems within the Texas program and continued to track the fallout on the 40 Acres even after the Longhorns were eliminated from the Big 12 race. Bob Stoops knew that the 2010 season was just one battle in a larger war. Here was an opportunity to set the Texas Longhorns back years instead of just one fluke season, so Bob bided his time.

Armed with alleged back channel resources outside the Texas program like the coaching sewing circle, OU players that are still friends with Texas players, agents, and even sources in Austin; Bob was rumored to have kept close track of all the rumblings behind the scenes. UT was in trouble for a variety of reasons and a good General doesn’t let these types of opportunities go to waste. Sort of like calling Texas recruits from the locker room of a National Championship game — a polar opposite from how Mack Brown stayed out of the Big Red scandal.

So with dissension building from Cleve-gate and mounting losses, Stoops had an ear to the ground towards Austin and what he heard right around the end of October did not sit well. It sounded like Texas for the first time in the Mack Brown tenure was dead set on getting rid of Greg Davis. It was a perfect storm of big cigar animus, scandal, and an impending deal with ESPN that would provide the leverage for Greg Davis’ ouster.

The thought of Greg Davis being replaced by Bryan Harsin or a Gus Malzahn and then paired up with Will Muschamp could spell big trouble for the Sooners. Davis was a known commodity they could hang their hat on every October. Stoops knew the script of Davis’ first plays better than Greggo did. The winds of change suddenly began to trouble the Sooner boss.

Opportunities multiply as they are seized. ~Sun Tzu

That opportunity would come in the form of scuttlebutt that Will Muschamp was unhappy with the fellow staff members and his undefined HCIW role. The tentative time table for Mack stepping down looked like a fabrication. Will’s wife wasn’t handling her duties as a coach’s wife to Sally Brown’s satisfaction, missing functions and even Holiday gatherings that were basically mandatory at Family Atmoshphere U. There were even rumblings that Will didn’t want to wait anymore and would take a lesser job just to get the hell out of Dodge.

Armed with this knowledge, Stoops would give these rumors a nudge in the right channels of communication—anything short of flying down to Austin to help Will pack himself.

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. ~Sun Tzu

Then Urban Meyer stepped down and that nudge turned into a crack-back on an unsuspecting 180 pound defensive back. Naturally, Bob Stoops was one of the leading candidates to replace Urban Meyer at Florida given his skins on the wall and his cozy relationship with Florida AD Jeremy Foley. Foley holds Stoops in the highest regard and if he couldn’t hire Oklahoma’s favorite son, he’d do the next best thing. He’d be receptive to whatever input Bob Stoops had on the coaching search.

As the rumored story goes, Bob Stoops picked up the phone and proceeded to pull off one of the greatest sales jobs in his career. Word is Foley didn’t know Muschamp was looking around. It’s also speculated that Foley got the most ringing endorsement of Muschamp’s capabilities from none other than Bob Stoops. The rest, as they say, is history. Foley swept in and scooped up Muschamp before Mack Brown and the University knew what had hit them. Stoops had sent his arch enemy into a coaching search tailspin with basically one phone call in a perfectly crafted act of subterfuge.

Our good friend Thujone, resident ShaggyBevo artiste, shared some of his own poignant thoughts on the matter.

Article Tags:

Bob Stoops, Florida Gators, Jeremy Foley, Mack Brown, Oklahoma Sooners, Subterfuge!, Sun Tzu, Texas Longhorns, THujone, Will Muschamp

114 Responses

Hipster said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:12 pm

I guess thanks are in order. Have some dicks Stoopsie. On the house.
bigdukesix said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:17 pm

That dog-grilling FUCKER!
texoz said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm

WOW. All kinds of wow. Thanks for dropping a neutron bomb covered in BBQ sauce.

I was hoping for lots of good news this week. You just pulled off the scab and dumped a full container of Morton’s salt onto my newly opened wound. F you.

Now give me some hope before I choke a bitch.
Blueshorn said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:21 pm

In before classics.
uthookem said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:21 pm

Jesus and Thujone, together at last.

This all sounds plausible to me, and Mack seems naive enough to be completely blindsided by all of it.

Let’s all pack some water…it’s going to be a while in the desert.
big money texas said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:25 pm

This is the only circumstance where I would take a dick over a pussy.
Wyatt said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:25 pm

I’m not sure that it wasn’t worth all of this going down just to see the fantastic art that it generated here.

F Stoops. That kind of a stunt has a way of coming back around to bite you in the ass.
java said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:27 pm

I sincerely hope that Mack and DeLoss know about this. I don’t think we should get mad. We should get even – for years to come.

I like/liked Muschamp, but he isn’t irreplaceable. Now, we just have to hire a cut or two above Boom and beat Stoops regularly. You Don’t Mess With Texas. Remember what happened when RC didn’t behave in a manner perceived as honorable?
Willow01 said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:29 pm

Have a feeling that Stoops did us a favor as far as Muschamp goes. The guy was a good DC, but far from great with nothing at all to show us he was going to be a good HC.
ultralight said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:30 pm

this is pure awesomeness. Screw that dog hater, elephatitis-chinned Stoops.

Sally needs to take a break from the charity work, and go wreck shit in Oklahoma. She appears to be a woman that you don’t cross and that can get stuff done.
tjarks said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:31 pm

Got to tip my hats to Stoops for this one. Just a very smart move. I hope Mack would have the juice to pull off a similar stunt.
Sundance01 said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:31 pm

I still think we’ll come out ahead after all this. Losing WM was a step back, but canning GD, Mad dog, and shaking up the staff in general were 3 huge steps forward.
GigoloJoe said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:33 pm

But woudn’t have Muschamp’s crack agent made overtures to Florida anyway?
AndrewfromUTLaw2 said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:33 pm

Awesome cartoons!
WildBill said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:42 pm

yes
ACE said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:48 pm

Holy fuck. Nice work gentlemen. Now excuse me while I settle into a warm bath and open up a vein.
triplehorn said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:52 pm

Stoops’ dick phone is hilarious, and repulsive.
Wrobby RIght said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:52 pm

That’s some funny artwork.
Pro se said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:55 pm

Despite what many may think, Stoops really is a chickensh!t.
Mad Clapper said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 10:59 pm

Stoops will slit your throat while Mack may make some snide remarks at his sewing circle.
roach said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 pm

It’s a good story, but its not like Foley needed Bob Stoops to tell him WM was good. Hell anyone with a TV and an inclination to college football knows that. (A surprising number of posters on this board excepted).

It’s like saying Lane Kiffin is calling John Elway to tell him to hire Harbaugh.
triplehorn said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:19 pm

This all makes perfect sense. After dealing with Urban’s roller coaster to burnout and second abrupt quitting, Foley was probably vulnerable and drawn to a voice of comfort . No doubt Stoops sensed how suggestible he was and obligingly pounced.

It takes very little reasoning to believe that without Stoops’ meddling, there is virtually no chance Will ends up being the one to replace the Urban Meyer. Coming off of a disastrous losing season, no HC experience…no way. Sure, Stoops was a DC before going to Norman, but back then OU was simply trying to dig out from under the rubble of the Gibbs-Schnellenberger-Blake era. This is Urban Meyer that is being succeeded and a UF program that has been on top.

Stoops is a stinging toad.
Saltshaker said:

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:26 pm

I have to admit, Stoops still has fire in the belly to match the dick in his mouth (thanks again Thujone). Jesus this has been one of my favorites of yours to read.

It wouldn’t surprise me that he really wanted the Florida job, but couldn’t pass up the opportunity to gently screw Texas with a Shane Diesel size strap on. (it matches his visor)

He knows that even if we hire eliticus maximus coordinators, having to hire both OC and DC means complete rebuild………… he’ll be in the pole position for more BCS runs for the next little while.

btw, the Nambla life member was a beautiful touch.
Willow01 said:

January 4th, 2011 at 12:05 am

**It’s a good story, but its not like Foley needed Bob Stoops to tell him WM was good. Hell anyone with a TV and an inclination to college football knows that. (A surprising number of posters on this board excepted).

It’s like saying Lane Kiffin is calling John Elway to tell him to hire Harbaugh.**

This. UF didn’t need Bob Stoops to recommend WM for them to consider him. He was a risky hire considering they are a top 3 program and his lack of HC experience, but he was not a irrational hire.
BigFat said:

January 4th, 2011 at 1:53 am

If Stoops was sitting around concerned about an impending reformation at Texas, I don’t understand why the move wouldn’t be to just take the Florida job. You’d walk into 5 straight years worth of top-flight recruiting at a school with essentially all the resources and recruiting advantages of Texas, and not only would avoid direct competition with Texas, you’d be competing in the SEC East, where despite the fact that every program in the division is in complete disarray you get all the credit in the world for winning your division and there is no expectation that you’d ever play a non-conference game out of state.

If that happened, then it would seem that Stoops harbors a personal animus against the university that goes beyond his circumstantial self-interest. No amount of undermining Texas would give him a better competitive advantage than simply taking the Florida job would have given him.

Plus, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him make the jump to the NFL this year. A ton of jobs are about to open up, and this year seems to have affirmed that Stoops’ stock is worth just about as much as anyone else’s. Saban’s already gone and come back, and I don’t see Tressel making the move. Meyer clearly isn’t taking one. Harbaugh can only take one job at a time. There are a lot of empty NFL coaching chairs out there. The BigXII could be utterly unrecognizable next year.
jpsantini said:

January 4th, 2011 at 2:08 am

Um, Jesus, Florida isn’t a “lesser” job than Texas

. . . and I thought you were omniscient. [sigh]

This may surprise you, too, but most people in college football already knew that Will Muschamp was one of the hottest coaching names in college football out there. No one, let alone the AD at Florida, needed Bob Stoops to tell them who Will Muschamp was or that he could be had by the right school. Combine this with the fact that Florida unarguably is one of those few “right schools” (i.e., ANY college assistant would jump at the chance to take over the head job at Florida), that Muschamp is from Gainesville, Florida, and it’s a no-brainer that Foley would contact Muschamp and would land him if he really wanted him.

I would never deny that Foley didn’t contact Stoops about Muschamp. In fact, given the two’s relationship it would be surprising if he hadn’t. But to believe that this played a significant role in Muschamp’s leaving is absurd.

Texas fans need to get over Muschamp and move on. He wasn’t all that even though he was a great DC. When Mack steps down we’ll find a better head coaching prospect than Muschamp (who, btw, may well be available himself).
hopefulhorn said:

January 4th, 2011 at 5:25 am

Interesting and entertaining story (particularly the artwork–get Thujone a tote bag and all the T-shirts he wants!). However, I have to side with santini and the others in doubting Stoops was the force behind WM going to Florida that you suggest.

The factors you cite were all present (WM’s restlessness, Mack not ready to step down, multiple problems here including conflict among the wives). OU is certainly Texas-obsessed as well but this is a bit conspiracy theory-ish for my taste.

It is a lot of fun to paint Visor Boy as the scheming villain. However, if Texas’ struggles continue, I think that will be due more to Mack allowing systemic problems to fester for too long than nefarious plotting by an outside entity like Stoops.

This story is a long way from finished. Por ejemplo, WM’s bringing in Weis as OC is a “splash” hire that may well leave him soaked. Let’s see how things play out.
SydneyCarton said:

January 4th, 2011 at 5:34 am

Jesus didn’t say Florida was a lesser job. He said Will was disenchanted with things at Texas and was WILLING TO TAKE A LESSER job to get out of Texas. That means the guy would have taken Mississippi State if Mullen had gone to Florida, etc. The fact that the Florida job opened up made it a triple no-brainer.
Mighty Texas said:

January 4th, 2011 at 5:48 am

Poor taste JS. Stick to recruiting.
Nobis60 said:

January 4th, 2011 at 5:59 am

Stoops doesn’t miss a trick. Or a dick.
EyesOfTX said:

January 4th, 2011 at 6:02 am

Sorry, I don’t see anything to bash Stoops about here. If this story is true, all it means is that he gave one hell of a football coach a recommendation for an open position.

And if the grandma-in-chief in charge of our football program understood the real nature of the war that is the Texas/OU rivalry, and behaved accordingly, we’d be in a lot better shape today.

Hook ‘em!!!
TaylorTRoom said:

January 4th, 2011 at 6:10 am

It’s not Bob Stoops’ fault that we’re in this situation (Note- I hate Stoops so much that I have trademarked the phrase “Bullet-Headed Churl” irt him). I’m sure Muschamp’s agent would have called Foley anyway, and Foley talks to Stoops. What’s Stoops supposed to do? Pan Muschamp? He told him the truth- Muschamp was the coach most responsible for 2008 – 2009′s success.
Seven Costanza said:

January 4th, 2011 at 6:16 am

Being a betting man, I’ll take the odds on either Oklahoma or Florida winning a national championship before Texas

Sorry guys, but Texas may be on the road to being the next Notre Dame … when tv deals are as important as the team you put on the field, you’re on the downhill slide.
magnusbleuveigner said:

January 4th, 2011 at 6:24 am

Is THujone racist?

Where are the purple dicks?

I actually respect Stoops for this move. He’s fighting under WWII rules where as Mack is fighting under modern day, “Worry about everything other than winning the war.”

I’ll unapologetically root for Muschamp to succeed at UF.
Bob Stoops said:

January 4th, 2011 at 6:25 am

Poooooooor Aggies…oh wait, I mean Texas. Yeah, it’s all Oklahoma and Bob Stoop’s fault…keep telling yourself that.
wethorn said:

January 4th, 2011 at 6:40 am

Who’s to say Mack didn’t call the AD at Indiana and rave about Kevin Wilson? He’d just be more discrete about it.

For that matter, perhaps Sally should call Holmgren and pitch the Stoops back to Ohio theme. I’m pretty sure Colt would take one for the team.
Arriviste said:

January 4th, 2011 at 6:45 am

Actually the worst thing Stoops could have done would have been to shuffle off to Florida and then recommend Muschamp to replace him at OU..
DanielSouthAustin said:

January 4th, 2011 at 6:46 am

The odd thing is that Texas has returned the favor it seems, by bringing Wyatt on board, a former OU staffer. What goes around comes around.
drG said:

January 4th, 2011 at 6:50 am

Nice fictional story.
Willow01 said:

January 4th, 2011 at 6:51 am

The annoiting oil that most Horn fans continue to give Muschamp is amazing……..the guy has shown little that he is the next coming of anything. Another season like we just had on the defensive side of the football in 2010 and he probably needed to be fired.

We gave up over 200 yards rushing to an Aggy for the first time since when? 1994? I think two guys for KState carried the football the whole game for 250 yards while they only threw about four times.

Geez
Levander Williams said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:06 am

Forgive the “blasphemy”, but it wouldn’t be any surprise to learn that Bob Stoops would use any & every potential advantage to undermine Texas. I have nothing bad to say about him in this respect.

Mack Brown has been toting a knife to this gunfight for years.
Footballer said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:13 am

“The odd thing is that Texas has returned the favor it seems, by bringing Wyatt on board, a former OU staffer. What goes around comes around”

Not quite, Wyatt left OU awhile ago and I think their current WR coach, Jay Norvell, is and has been more than capable
JKates said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:14 am

If anyone thinks that Stoops has time to devote to finding out the inner workings of an opponents staff, then that person is crazy.
Bob said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:14 am

This is not true.. Florida wanted Stoops and gave him a chance to take the job after they interviewed Muschamp. Apparently, he was very close to taking it…When he said no.. Muschamp took it
nordberg said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:19 am

“Another season like we just had on the defensive side of the football in 2010 and he probably needed to be fired.”

Man, think what would happen if we finished outside of the top 10 in total defense. I think Muschamp spoiled a lot of you, quickly. The guy’s a great DC but he’s not a magician.
Juan James Mohammed De'ron Patel-Wong BurntOrangeFoot said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:24 am

Is K2 legal in God’s house?
magnusbleuveigner said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:25 am

JKates, have you taken up residence in Mack Brown’s bubble of naivete?

Coaches find out all the time through back channels that recruits are unhappy, you don’t think there’s people that know if a coach is unhappy especially in this day and age of shared agents?
DanielSouthAustin said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:27 am

This: “This is not true.. Florida wanted Stoops and gave him a chance to take the job after they interviewed Muschamp. Apparently, he was very close to taking it…When he said no.. Muschamp took it”

+1.
There is little evidence to support the fact that Stoops attempted to add
fuel to the fire by giving Muschamp a ringing endorsement. On the other hand, I too
wouldn’t be surprised if Stoops went out of His way to stir things up a little; just not enough evidence to support the claim. I just think this article is purely speculative and makes for good, Alex Jones/Black helicopter type of banter.
Juan James Mohammed De'ron Patel-Wong BurntOrangeFoot said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:29 am

BTW, which one is hotter or WWJD:
Carol Muschamp
Julie Applewhite
Sally Brown
Carol Stoops
Jesus Shuttlesworth said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:38 am

This isn’t speculation. The conversation happened and there was an agenda. Knowing Stoops that shouldn’t surprise you. Even if the hire would have happened on its own, Stoops certainly did his part to help.

That’s the story. Draw your own conclusions on the rest of it…
Nunna Yo Bizness said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:43 am

If this article was supposed to make me mad and villianize Stoops then it partially succeeded. It made me mad but not at Stoops. IF this is even true, then it just confirms for me how naive Mack is and that he doesn’t have the cut throat nature required to run a top tier program.

Again IF this is true Stooops did not cheat, violate NCAA rules, or do anything illegal. He used an opponents weakness to gain an advantage. Heaven forbid we ever do that (on or off the field). I guess it just isn’t sporting to not hand the opponent every opportunity to beat us. When DKR retired in 1976 out of disgust for the things going on in college football and particularly those done by our rivals to the north it should have been clear that you won’t be able to reach your potential at Texas by being a back slapping, hand shaking, gentleman with your opponents.

All that said though, after watching Stanford last night, if we end up trading WM for Fangio we all may owe Stoops a big sloppy wet kiss of gratitude before it’s all said and done.
JKates said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:52 am

magnus, I’m not doubting that a conversation happened or that Stoops would love to see Muschamp out of Austin. I’m simply saying that Stoops doesn’t stay awake at night worrying about what Mack and Texas are doing. He’s consumed with hurting Texas by improving his program, not by subterfuge.
bullzak said:

January 4th, 2011 at 8:00 am

I am sure the conversation went down but I doubt Stoops initiated it.

And if Stoops wouldnt cut your throat when he got the chance I would lose respect for him. The guy is a killer and if he were roaming our sidelines for the past decade Texas fans would have loved him.

We would certainly have another NC or two in hand.

No comments on the body parts.
fishgrease said:

January 4th, 2011 at 8:04 am

i see nothing wrong with what stoops did. besides that, it was still up to foley to go through an evaluation process to figure out whether muschamp was a good fit for what he wanted out of a coach. he didnt just hang up the phone with stoops and say “ZOMG STOOPS SAYS HE’S GREAT LET’S GO GET HIM!!!!!1ONE!”

this reeks of sour grapes.
Jesus Shuttlesworth said:

January 4th, 2011 at 8:04 am

Wrong, jkates. Stoops would do anything he can to get a leg up. Up until this season we had won four of the last five games in Dallas.

Stoops certainly isn’t Switzer but he lives and works in a state that still lives to hate Texas. It only takes a few phone calls to stay in the loop and the conversation with Foley didn’t take more than five minutes of his time.
Clam Digger said:

January 4th, 2011 at 9:03 am

Coaches in all sports know each other from one part of the country to the other. WM coached in the same conference as Stoops who just happens to be a good friend of the Fla AD. Foley would have been a fool not to call Stoops and ask his opinion of WM.

Oh no, four of the last five. Why not expand the statement and say four of the last ELEVEN? Like it or not, that is reality. Sorry, but the state of Oklahoma doesn’t live and breath to hate the state of Texas, the schools, or the people who live there. Get over yourselves already. Why the hell did I sell my share of Reynolds? The tin foil market just expands and expands…
Vasherized said:

January 4th, 2011 at 9:27 am

Because what happened in the last five years is more relevant than what happened in the last ten?

As recently as last year there was a lot of heat on Stoops to beat Texas and that the tide had turned. Then this year happened. Don’t think Stoops isn’t relishing the demise in Austin while also keeping a close eye on the staff we’re putting together.

Why the hell did I sell my share of Reynolds? The tin foil market just expands and expands…

Dental work, imo.

Sorry, but the state of Oklahoma doesn’t live and breath to hate the state of Texas, the schools, or the people who live there

You are not like the others. There is hope yet for you.
vanterminator said:

January 4th, 2011 at 9:37 am

I fucking hate bob stoops
Jimbo said:

January 4th, 2011 at 10:00 am

I can not believe one person who loves UT would do anything but send Stoops (and sorry but I do not believe any of this story) a thank you card. Muschamp defense sucked last year.

HERE IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT MUSCHAMP. I BELIEVE HE WAS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE TURMOIL IN THE PROGRAM. HE GOT GREEDY AND DID NOT WANT TO WAIT ANYMORE.

NOT ONE BOR CAME OUT AND SAID WE TRIED TO GIVE MUSCHAMP MORE MONEY TO STAY, ETC…NO ONE PEOPLE. Most are glad he is gone including ME. If you think he is great then Greg Davis was great for the NC season also and all the 10 wins also, etc. Why is no one suing Muschamp for breaking his HCIW contract that paid him 500 grand more than anyone else in America? Sometimes in trying to sound smart people say and do things to draw attention to themselves. Sorry Jesus but you are all over the board on this with every angle covered. I am not impressed. Glad your gone Muschamp and seeing him hire Jaba Charlie makes me smile even more. We got rid of a cancer in our program people, and he was just one of them.
Jimbo said:

January 4th, 2011 at 10:06 am

and those of you who thinks Bob lays awake nights worried about who UT hires are just plain scary people with no life. I am a life long UT fan and anyone who belives this article also believes Fox News is actual news reporting. Yea ol Bob got rid of a Defensive Coach that his offense ran thru like we were playing with 9 people on defense. Go back and watch the first to OU series and tell me Bob was/is impressed with Muschamp?
Nunna Yo Bizness said:

January 4th, 2011 at 10:12 am

HE GOT GREEDY AND DID NOT WANT TO WAIT ANYMORE.

How long is he supposed to wait? Is he supposed to accept the position of perpetual HCIW, passing on jobs like Florida while hanging in there for a HC position that Mack just might decide he wants to keep for 10 more years or longer.

I believe they had at least a handshake agreement of when Mack would step down and he broke that agreement by deciding to continue after this season. If that’s not the case then it was f***ing stupid to name someone HCIW and creating false expectations if there was no intention of stepping down anytime forseeable.

The end result may have been that Will was unhappy and caused some of the divisiveness (though there were plenty of other sources this year), but I can’t blame him for being unhappy about being sold a bill of goods.
triplehorn said:

January 4th, 2011 at 10:23 am

Some people don’t know how to handle rumor and innuendo. If you read something that makes you revile the Sooners more, it really doesn’t matter how true it is or not. Am I right? What is wrong with some of you people. Goddamn Sooners probably infiltrated this site attempting logic and reason to help keep any disgust pointed at ourselves.

To the extent that there is any truth to it, the linchpin is this :

” Word is Foley didn’t know Muschamp was looking around.”

When you are a top 3 program, you don’t seek to fill positions based on who might be looking elsewhere, you simply target who you want and go. Foley not knowing Muschamp was looking around would suggest Will was not even on their radar. It would follow that Stoops played a fairly significant role planting and watering the seed.
BevosBoss said:

January 4th, 2011 at 10:29 am

Wow! Imagine that. Florida AD Jeremy Foley chose to approach a previous Florida DC who had helped to win a Nat’l Championship about his interest in coming “home” to the Florida HCing job. The now highly successful HC, who won his own Nat’l Championship in just his 2nd season as a HC, let his friend Foley know of his satisfaction with his current gig, then offered some suggestions for Meyer’s replacement. Oh, as if Urban Meyer didn’t already point out Will Muschamp’s success (rolling eyes). To pretend Stoops’ recommendation carried any real weight upon Foley’s decision is similar to grassy knoll lore.

If Sally Brown was playing the pissy witch about Carol’s time spent with her own children, perhaps we all need to remember that both Mack & Sally are on their 2nd marriages. Sally never had to play the role of assistant coach’s wife with young children. Clearly she overstepped her bounds and made a tentative situation even more precarious.

I sense a massaging of the facts.
Bob said:

January 4th, 2011 at 10:40 am

Are you people crazy. It seems now and days anyone can make up crap and call it journalism. Bob could care less about Muschamp and wouldn’t waste two seconds pimping anyone for a job.
Jerry said:

January 4th, 2011 at 10:43 am

Will was never going to be the HC. The title was all about getting him paid to stay. I just do not see Texas bringing in a HC with no HC experience. I wonder what everyone will say in 5 years if Will turns out to be Zook II.
Vasherized said:

January 4th, 2011 at 10:47 am

Some of you are crazier than this fucking story, which is awesome by the way.

f stoops.
Uterra said:

January 4th, 2011 at 10:48 am

Who cares what Stoops did? Coaches come and coaches go. Stoops has his own problems with naming Heupel as OC. If Sun Tzu didn’t say the only constant is change, then he was an idiot who other idiots pay too much homage to.
Toadvine said:

January 4th, 2011 at 10:50 am

EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP YELLING!!!! IT DOESN’T HELP MAKE YOUR POINT ANYMORE THAN THE GRATUITOUS USE OF EXCLAMATION POINTS DOES!!!! I’M GOING TO LUNCH RIGHT NOW!!!!
JKates said:

January 4th, 2011 at 10:57 am

JS,

I buy 5 minutes. I believe I said as much. I don’t buy that he spends a lot of extra time/thought worrying about other programs.
Bobisbetter said:

January 4th, 2011 at 11:00 am

If true, hilarious. Bob is twice the coach Brown is and thankfully, some of you realize that. Step 1) ACKNOWLEDGE the problem, Step 2) try your hardest to fix it (not some 5-win effort, either)
ballrific said:

January 4th, 2011 at 11:08 am

actually, I think Sally is on her 3rd marriage but I see your point….don’t be a junior league type witch with the wife of the future of your program, not too bright…

who gives a shit if Stoops did that, anyone with half a brain should have in his position….granted, mack would never think of doing that.

“And if Stoops wouldnt cut your throat when he got the chance I would lose respect for him. The guy is a killer and if he were roaming our sidelines for the past decade Texas fans would have loved him. We would certainly have another NC or two in hand.”

Yeah, we’d have another 5 conference championships or so but not everyone would like us!! We need to be loved by everyone with our sensitive ego….per our “ceo”.
Texoz said:

January 4th, 2011 at 11:19 am

I consider myself of average intelligence, but then I read the “Muschamp’s defense wasn’t good” posts and I feel like the President of Mensa.

If your defense finishes in the TOP 5 of yards per play allowed, you’re doing a lot right. Anyone that looks at the scoring defense ranking, and doesn’t understand why it’s so high, shouldn’t discuss football.
Sooner said:

January 4th, 2011 at 11:42 am

You guys sound like 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

Do y’all really think that OU thinks about Texas in every move that it makes? You are the most delirious fan base in the country if you think this is true. Do you really think when the sooners were prepping for big 12 championship game #8 our main thoughts were “man I wonder how our championship game will effect 5-7 last place Texas”.

The ironic part of this whole story is that you just found a way to connect a longhorn coach leaving for a good job with Florida to the Oklahoma head coach. Who is obsessing with the other school?

I will stop rambling and go grab lunch. Matter of fact I better think about what I am going to eat and the possible ramifications it may have towards the University of Texas.
HAHA said:

January 4th, 2011 at 11:45 am

First off UT people taking this trash seriously is laughable. To believe the Florida AD hired a coach of his university based on stoops request is absolutely the dumbest thing i have ever heard. No one knew about Muschamp i guess until stoops suggested he might be a good coach according to this…my biggest surprise is the number of idiot UT fans taking it seriously in the comments.

Second…instead of OU doing everything with UT on its mind like mentioned above…this trash appears that UT does everything with OU on its mind…you can’t even lose a coach without blaming stoops…lol..pathetic. Keep crying while OU keeps counting their Big 12 titles.
Blueshorn said:

January 4th, 2011 at 11:50 am

JKates, have you taken up residence in Mack Brown’s bubble of naivete?

Magnus, Jkates is a Mack/GD apologist of almost echeesian proportions. And by proportions, I’m talking intellectual dishonesty. He’s not rotund like Chuckie.
roach said:

January 4th, 2011 at 11:53 am

This is very true:

“Actually the worst thing Stoops could have done would have been to shuffle off to Florida and then recommend Muschamp to replace him at OU.”

This is very stupid:

“NOT ONE BOR CAME OUT AND SAID WE TRIED TO GIVE MUSCHAMP MORE MONEY TO STAY, ETC…NO ONE PEOPLE

How much fucking money do you think we’d have to pay an assistant coach to remain an assistant coach when he was offered the head coaching job at the University of Florida. By all accounts a top five coaching job (top two or three imo).

The only possible move we could have made was to fire Mack Brown and give the job to WM. Firing Mack Brown at this point and time is not a reasonable reaction to the situation.
Juan James Mohammed De'ron Patel-Wong BurntOrangeFoot said:

January 4th, 2011 at 11:54 am

F Stoooopid and all the sister-lovin’, meth-sniffin’, land-stealin’, one-toothed-chewin’ OkieHomo Gooners —– go back to OK blogosphere —– nothing to do with HeyZeus’ post, that’s just my natural BurntOrange instincts kicikng in :-)
Joetx said:

January 4th, 2011 at 11:59 am

I guess by all of the dick images you’re saying Stoops is gay?

Then what does that say about Mack then? He’s on the losing end of the stick, including 2 HUGE blowouts.

Real clever. Keep it classy.

If Stoops did indeed do some political maneuvering to get Muschamp the Florida job, I have to (reluctantly) give credit to him. He knows who his biggest enemy is. He knows his own well-being is tied to keeping said enemy down.

Mack, in contrast, is too busy being buddy-buddy w/ our enemies. Too bad it comes back to bite him in the ass (see OU, Arkie, A&M).
Confused and Dazed said:

January 4th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

Actually, Sooner I for one take the whole story, if true, as a compliment to Stoops.
HAHA said:

January 4th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

also…it appears the artist (or 5th grader) has more of a dick fantasy than stoops. I guess going 5-7 will make you do crazy things…….1-believe this nonsense 2-apparently makes you obsess over drawing dicks. you stay classy UT
Bob in Houston said:

January 4th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

Do y’all really think that OU thinks about Texas in every move that it makes?

If it’s not No. 1, it’s No. 1A.
triplehorn said:

January 4th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

I suspected Sooners were lurking, on account of their being obsessed with Texas, but this is impressive.
Toadvine said:

January 4th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

You Sooner fans are missing the boat. He’s saying Stoops is a pedophile, not that Stoops is gay. Google NAMBLA. Do it at work and use Google images.
Blueshorn said:

January 4th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

Toadvine is right, Sooner fans. And turn off your firewall and anti-virus software when you do it. The images will load faster for you.
CrazyJoeDavola said:

January 4th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

There is some serious lack of reading comprehension being exhibited among a large portion of the commentariat here.

And enough jumping to conclusions to keep Tom Smykowski’s coffers full until doomsday.
utematt said:

January 4th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

1/4/11

Bob Stoops = 1 national title
Mack Brown = 1 national title
NUFF SAID?

Texas landed the former 4 year OU coach that signed Adrian Peterson AND Malcom Kelly for the Sooners. With the staff additions of Chryst (WIS, OC), Bostad (WIS, OL), Wyatt (KU, WRs), Bo Davis (ALA, DTs), and possibly Fangio (STAN, DC), Mack has done it the right way and his recruiting class has remained in tact. Bravo, Mack. A couple of these coaching changes have been sorely needed & will only strengthen the team. The one year blip will prove to have been WELL WORTH IT. Don’t let the door hit ya, Will – because it wasn’t the offense giving up big running plays all year to crappy teams with less talent.
nordberg said:

January 4th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

This has, incredibly, somehow managed to piss off both longhorn and sooner fans.
utematt said:

January 4th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

HaHaHa,
But for Texas not properly falling on the Landry Jones fumble at OU’s own 3 yd line late in the 4th, Texas beats OU in 2010. Otherwise, OU doesn’t get the nod as co-champs of the south with Okie St and a&m – and wouldn’t have even made it to play powerhouse U-Conn. We must had it to Bobbie, after losing 5 straight bowl games, powerhouse U-Conn was a MUST-WIN for Bobbie – bout time ya won a bowl.
utematt said:

January 4th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

Stoops did UT a favor. Thinking be was hurting Texas, the Texas cigars had already thought Muschamp as HCIW was a mistake. I think the joke is on Bobbie. He actually helped Texas solve it’s HCIW problem. FUNNY how things happed. So, thank you Bobbie ! :)
utematt said:

January 4th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

If Bobbie would have spent more time worrying about winning OU’s game with a&m, he’d have a south title outright – instead of sharing it with two other teams. THANK YOU, Bobbie. Texas was really in need of several staff upgrades – and YOU helped Texas get it done. THANK YOU, AGAIN, Bobbie! Job well done, Bobbie!
:)
utematt said:

January 4th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

I guess the fact that Bobbie had LOST FIVE STRAIGHT BOWL GAMES and had lost 5 of 7 to Texas, was starting to wear thin in Norman. Consequently, Bobbie “felt the need” to help his old school, Florida – whoops (like OU losing to a&m), that backfired. Now the arch enemy will have it’s woes corrected – thanks to Bobbie. THANK YOU, Bobbie !
See ya in October!
utematt said:

January 4th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

The funny part about times when Bobbie goes out of his way to hurt Texas (like sending OU staff up to NU to help Polini beat Texas last year – and they still lose to Texas despite Bobbie’s expert advice on how to beat Mack …. trouble is, Bobbie’s lost 5 of 7 to Mack lately himself) …. This will likely result in UT facing UF in a bowl and Texas’s new staff beating Will. Stop being so nosey, Bobbie.
triplehorn said:

January 4th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

This has, incredibly, somehow managed to piss off both longhorn and sooner fans.

Sun Tzu could have learned something from the Jesus.
triplehorn said:

January 4th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

But I don’t think ‘maximizing clicks’ was a part of Tzu’s lexicon.
HAHA said:

January 4th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

utematt…everyone is now dumber for having read your ramblings. btw…tell me how falling on a fumble means UT scores a TD, and two-pt conversion, only to tie the game…then leading to the UT victory…spoken like a true loser. “if this would have happened…and this would have happened…we would have won…” awwww….loser.

and btw…sooners arent angry at this trash….just find it hilarious people actually take it serious. Stoops also got RichRod fired, the pitt coach fired, Randy Edsall hired, and is currently in the works of Harbaugh’s hiring……apparently all he has to do is request someone be head coach and it happens.
utematt said:

January 4th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

The best coaches Bobbie had at OU have moved on – and Texas just hired one of them in Wyatt. Without your brilliant meddling, Bobbie, Texas’s staff changes would not have been possible. Thank you, Bobbie (“Mr. Helper”) Stoops. Texas will have upgraded the staff, rid itself of the bad seed, and YOU made that happen. This is, as ags say, so ALLSOME !!! I’m certain that your buddy, Polini, is smiling (but mainly bc he no have to play mean ole Texas no more) :)
utematt said:

January 4th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

DEAR HAHA:
It’s my goal to ramble to make readers dumber. What an ALLSOME world we live in. Yawn. Just the facts, maam !!!
Confused and Dazed said:

January 4th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

Who, pray tell, do you consider the bad seed, utematt?

As much as I think I know by reading the previous posts you sprayed around, I absolutley must know who you are referring to?
triplehorn said:

January 4th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

We can speculate about how Will’s replacement will compare on the field, but it is beyond debate that Will’s exit has cleared the air off the field around the whole HCIW/Mack ‘retirement watch’ boondoggle.

The positives of that unintended consequence would be hard to quantify but could be a major net benefit in attitude and morale for the program over the near term. I’ll reserve giving any credit to Bob Stoops for that even if he deserves it. You’ll understand.
utematt said:

January 4th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

Triplehorn,
As much as I regret saying this and regardless of the actual outcome in the future, Bobbie MUST be given the credit. Bobbie went out on a limb to indirectly help Texas – and given that a conference with no title game now may very well be decided in the Cotton Bowl each October, Bobbie wanted Texas to be at full strength. Thus, I must pat Bobbie on the back you see.

Confused and Dazed:
The pot was being stirred from within since MB threw even the coaches under the bus during the season. The stirring has stopped.
JKates said:

January 4th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

Blueshorn,

I believe you have me confused with someone else. At no time have I ever been a Greg Davis defender. His removal was a highlight of my Christmas break.
jester said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

Can’t we all just agree that Bob Stoops eats bags of dicks?
Sooner Hater said:

January 4th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

Hey sooner worshippers, how’s that ou men’s basketball team doing? Is football the most important thing in life? I couldn’t care less about what goes on in Norman. Bob Stoops is a good football coach, but I’m a Longhorn fan living in Oklahoma, and I laugh when I read sooner followers saying they aren’t obsessed with hating Texas. Take a look around, if you live in Oklahoma. Do you see all the upside-down Bevo plates and “Hook ‘em” signs? I’m surrounded by people that actually worship the sooner football team, and that’s no exaggeration. I’m sure there are Longhorn fans like this, as well, but I am not one of them. YOU are a fan base that is extremely cocky, arrogant, and, at times, extremely repulsive. YOU are the ones that need to “get a life”. It’s just football…oh, by the way, I was checking out the Men’s Top 25 in basketball, and I see Texas there in the top 20, but where is Oklahoma? How many baseball championships does ou have? It’s 2…Texas has 6, and over 30 appearances in the College World Series, how many does ou have? Oh right, football is king, but what goes around, comes around. Enjoy it while it lasts, because it never does. The Longhorns will be back someday soon, so you sooner worshippers better watch out…Hook ‘em
blueriver said:

January 4th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

SOONER HATER,well said i to have to live in this god awful place,but close enough to Texas to get those cool breeze from lake texoma.the next few years these yokels will be back to the place they belong…
TaylorTRoom said:

January 5th, 2011 at 6:16 am

Look, I believe Foley called Stoops. I believe Stoops recommended Muschamp as a formidable foe. I “can” believe that if Stoops had any doubts about Will’s ability to run a program like Florida, he kept them to himself. I just don’t see how that’s even in the top 10 of Stoopsian acts of jackassery. Getting his buddies to vote Texas low in the (non-public) vote in 2008 was far worse, in my opinion, and reason enough to hate him and OU forever. Breaking the conference’s rules on sportsmanship by offering advice to Saban pre-Rose Bowl was almost as bad, although less directly harmful.
Pigskin said:

January 5th, 2011 at 7:02 am

This stuff goes on all the time between rivals, when the opportunity presents itself. Bottom line, there is turmoil at Texas….the opportunity presented itself to Florida to get Muschamp when their first choice, stoops, turned it down. If the season had gone better for Texas you would not have had any of this. I hope for Texas and the conference’s sake that Texas/Brown gets it together. I think the real loss here will be in texas loss of clout in recruiting the State of Texas in 2012.
CharMaster Ric said:

January 5th, 2011 at 7:35 am

What a story, what a story. True or not it was an interesting read and the comments are always better than the article itself.

Now let me get these facts right:
OU does have 8 BXII Championships, right?
OU and Bob Stoops have beat UT 7 times, to Mack and UT haveing won 5 times right?
OU and Bob have played in 4 NC games to Texass’s 2 times right?
Are a lesser number of 10 wins seasons greater than a larger number of 11 win seasons?

The important lesson of the above exercise is when spitting out statistics and records you need to count all the data not just that which makes you feel good.

Who cares if Muschamp is gone, his D teams were OK but never totally dominated as some people thought, he derisive and caused most of the internal friction. A few of commenter’s get it, most don’t.

As for the dog that Bob is charcoal grilling, that is in reference to the Utexass Dog of a football team.
ObjectiveOne said:

January 5th, 2011 at 9:45 am

utematt,

I wouldn’t run bowl smack about OU right now if I were you. Texas lost the last bowl they played in and promptly followed that up by not qualifying for a bowl game this season, but I probably don’t need to remind you of that. Kinda makes the smack about OU’s BCS struggles seem insignificant, doesn’t it?

Oh, and don’t kid yourself, if Texas were to play UCONN and beat them, there wouldn’t be anyone on the 40 willing to put an asterisk (giggle) next to it.
utematt said:

January 5th, 2011 at 11:09 am

CharMaster:
*** Yes, Will seemed to stir the pot …
*** ONE national title for Bobbie & ONE national title for Mack

TaylorT Room:
Thanks for the additional examples of Bobbie’s anti-UT actions.
Sooner said:

January 7th, 2011 at 10:35 am

It is amazing the stuff people write about when the off season starts thanksgiving weekend.
soonernation said:

January 7th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

This is beautiful. Not only is Uterus imploding, but now the Sooners are actually getting the credit! It just doesn’t get much better than this. By the way, the Fiesta was a hoot. Did you guys go bowling……… on the lanes? OU beats Uterus again!!!

I love college football………
soonersteve said:

January 8th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

It’s always great to anonymously blame someone else for your troubles.
Why don’t you look closer to home to old Mack himself.It’s obvious he
has thrown all your coaches under the bus to save his own hide. Maybe
Muschamp got tired of getting no respect as the “head coach in waiting”.
roflmao
okiedokie said:

January 18th, 2011 at 11:19 am

pretty funny all this about Stoops being the root of the problem when the Mackster is his own worst enemy.

and jesus, I thought the shit was gonna hit the fan at UT involving the Angels and Cleve Bryant, or did that get swept under the rug like most of the dirt in Austin?

man, you shaggbevo guys crack me up. just a bunch of juvies with a penis fettish.

yep, no obsession with these boys, LMAO!~
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